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Re: Capacitor C/Peek

>Date:          Sat, 26 Oct 1996 23:49:51 -0600
>From:          Tesla List <tesla-at-poodle.pupman-dot-com>
>To:            Tesla-list-subscribers-at-poodle.pupman-dot-com
>Subject:       Re: Capacitor C/Peek
>Reply-to:      tesla-at-pupman-dot-com

>>From couturejh-at-worldnet.att-dot-netSat Oct 26 23:48:56 1996
>Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 04:18:30 +0000
>From: "John H. Couture" <couturejh-at-worldnet.att-dot-net>
>To: tesla-at-pupman-dot-com
>Subject: Re: Capacitor C/Peek

>At 04:59 AM 10/25/96 +0000, you wrote:
>>From rwstephens-at-ptbo.igs-dot-netThu Oct 24 22:57:34 1996
>>Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 00:37:12 -0500
>>From: "Robert W. Stephens" <rwstephens-at-ptbo.igs-dot-net>
>>To: tesla-at-pupman-dot-com
>>Subject: Re: Capacitor C/Peek
>
>>>>From pierson-at-msd26.enet.dec-dot-comWed Oct 23 22:20:11 1996
>>>Date: Wed, 23 Oct 96 20:54:06 EDT
>>>From: pierson-at-msd26.enet.dec-dot-com
>>>To: mail11:  ;
>>>Cc: pierson-at-msd26.enet.dec-dot-com
>>>Subject: Capacitor C/Peek
>>
>>
>>>I was pondering something exceedingly basic, and getting phunny numbers.
>>>Specifically, what energy is in the cap in the primary tank?
>>
>>>I keep getting a number which seems small, someone check my math:
>>
>>
>>>	Joules == watt-seconds == (C(Ve2))/2
>>
>>>right?
>>
>>>	C= 0.025 uFd (for the CP caps, just to pick a number...
>>>	V=10,000 V (to pick another)
>>
>>>Rolling this together:
>>>	((2.5)*(10e-8)*(10e4)e2))/2= 1.25 Joules
>>
>>>Izzat right?
>>>I was expecting a larger number....
>>>Am i dropping a decimal somewhere???
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>>	regards
>>>	dwp
>>
>>dwp,
>>
>>Your math is fine.  However, if that 10 kV was transformer RMS you 
>>can redo your calculation to the peak (X 1.414) value as this is what 
>>it could charge your cap to if allowed to by the gap.  With this view you
>>get 2.5 Joules.  If you can 'pop' your 2.5 Joules in one half 
>>squarewave at 100 kHz (5 microseconds), your reward is a 500 kW pulse. : )
>>Create a nice half sinewave instead and you get a _peak_ power of 
>>1.414 x RMS or a 707 kilowatt pulse.
>>
>>Now take a 12000 volt RMS xfmer and charge a 0.125 mfd cap to 16968 
>>volts.  That's 17.99 Joules.  Bang this in 5 microseconds and your 
>>sinewave peak power is 5.088 megawatts!  That's approximately the 
>>spec of R. Hull's Nemesis coil and exactly those of my MTC system. My 
>>first half sinewave is 6.25 microseconds though (80 kHz), so my theoretical
>>peak power is lower at merely 4.07 megawatts, and then taking K=0.2 and gap
>>losses into account I'm down to maybe 15% of that (a measely 610 kilowatts)
>>out the top?
>>
>>I realize that the above is fast and simplified 'figurin' which 
>>ignores a lotta stuff so flames are welcomed if I'm out more than 10 db. : )
>>
>>rwstephens

>Sorry guys - 

>You are at over unity energy again. The true answer is 1.25 joules. You
>cannot magnify energy like you can power, voltage, current, etc., etc.

>Jack C.

Jack,

You charge a 0.25 mfd cap to 10,000 volts DC, you have stored 1.25 
joules.  You charge that same cap to 14,140 volts DC (peak of 10 KVRMS) 
you get 2.5 joules.  I see no _over-unity_ here.  I _do_ see two 
different ways to _label_ a voltage source however, as in peak volts 
or RMS volts. I also see the same two ways to measure power, RMS (or 
averaged) power, and peak power.  The peak power in a sine wave is 
1.414 times the RMS power.

I did not say that you can look at that cap which is charged to 10,000 volts DC
and say it is charged to 14,140 'peak' volts.  Did you think I was saying that?

I'm an experimentalist, I work only with hardware.  NOTHING I DO will ever
put me over unity.  I abide by the laws of nature because they are, in 
the physical world, superbly enforced. 

If I have gone over unity I will self destruct and the universe will once
again be whole.  If I have merely erred, could you please show me specifically 
where?

rwstephens