In a message dated 96-09-20 02:48:56 EDT, you write: << Steve & Bert: My family looks at me with awe as I make funny sounds when driving by new street construction sites. They always have big piles of 20' lengths of PVC sewer pipe---anything from 6" through 24". It always makes me think of that really big diameter coil form!! Chuck >> Yes Yes Thats it !!! Steve