Re: Twin coils on ebay

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Original poster: "Rick W by way of Terry Fritz <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <rickwilliams404-at-earthlink-dot-net>

I understand where Michael Tandy is coming from. It's the way the world
works today regardless of how we feel about it. Potential lawsuits
now-a-days are a very real possibility.

But I'd like to share something written by an unknown author that I thought
really hit home. Unfortunately it does nothing to alleviate the danger of
what people may do in a "legal" sense.



COMMON SENSE!
THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THEN AND NOW

Once upon a time, as children, we climbed on the 'monkeybars' and swung in
worn-out tires.  We had BB guns wich could put your eye out, so we were
careful not to point them there.  We had rockets that would fly out of sight
on water pressure and slingshots that would hurl rocks a city block.  We
jumped on pogo sticks and tottered around on homemade stilts. Most days, we
set out on our bicycles in search of adventure.  Chuckin' rocks, wallowing
in ditches searching for tadpoles and minnows, we played mumbledeypeg and
whittled wood into whistles with scout knives.

To those raised in the climate of litigation that strangles our present
society, our surviving long enough to become parents is viewed as a modern
miracle.  I see it differently.  We survived the perils of our youth because
our parents made us responsible for our own safety and held us acountable
for our own mistakes.  If I fell off my bike while riding backwards to
impress Mary Beth Smith, I knew that I, and no one else, would be punished.
If we fell out of the swing set, and many of us did, we wore a plaster cast
and lost six weeks of playing steret football.   If our  homemade stilts
collapsed while playing in our Sunday clothes, we knew our knees would heal
before our priveleges would be restored.  In short, we knew we would bear
the consequences for our own mistakes.  So we learned to look both ways
before crossing a street, to tie our showstrings tightly, and to never place
our Slip n' Slides within thirtdy feet of a tree.  It was all part of
growing up.

We live in a society where nothing can be our fault, where our fortunes and
failures are determined by cultural forces other than personal effort.  Our
microwave ovens now bear stickers warning us not to place live animals in
them.  Our cars won't operate unless we buckke up, depress the clutch, place
one foot on the brake, and turn on the radio.  "The Devil made me do it,"
once a punchline, has become a ligitimate defense to any unlawful or immoral
act.  Somehow, somewhere, those lessons got lost.  In the process of growing
older, we forgot what we learned while growing up.  It is time we reinstall
values of responsibility and accountability in our children again and stop
the downwared slide toward blamelessness...before they slip away.

                 Author Unknown


----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: Twin coils on ebay


> Original poster: "Steve Rosenthal by way of Terry Fritz
<twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <sdrosen-at-cwia-dot-com>
>
> It seems to me that ignorance is bliss. The "what if"s are endless. I know
> that there is a lot of tesla coil gear and other potentially dangerous
items
> sold on Ebay and other auctions online and off, .....consider the
government
> auctions of just high voltage gear alone. Liability and risk are part of
the
> game with Tesla coils, what does it matter if you sell them or not? What
if
> a couple of the neighbor kids break into your house while your on
vacation,
> fires up your coil and fries his buddy? Is that covered by your homeowners
> policy???
>
> I can appreciate your position and concern, but where does one draw the
> line? Tesla coils are DANGEROUS, people who experiment with them have a
high
> risk tolerance. Those sorts of folks are willing to take calculated risks
> and if there like me... get a thrill from the experience. We aren't
> "normal", we are definately a rare breed of folks, and have something in
> common that is typically uncommon... We like noise and to create lightning
> bolts in our garages, basements, back yards, bedrooms and dens. Look at
the
> early pictures of Bill Wysocks coils in his typical southern Cal. suburban
> back yard!! Ever wonder what his neighbors thought every time he fire the
> thing up. I mean we've got teenagers here pulling out the dryer at their
> parents home and tapping into their mom and dad's 220vac to run pole pigs
on
> the patio.... MAN!!!!! So thanks for the advice, but I think a lot of the
> people reading this already know that and we are hoping for the
> best.......the odds are in our favor according to my scoresheet, what will
> be will be.
>
> "A client between two lawyers is like a fish between two cats"
>
> "Whats 10,000 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean.................a good
> start"
>
> S. David Rosenthal
>
> ___________________________________________________
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tesla list" <tesla-at-pupman-dot-com>
> To: <tesla-at-pupman-dot-com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 5:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Twin coils on ebay
>
>
> > Original poster: "by way of Terry Fritz <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>"
> <Clearspring1-at-aol-dot-com>
> >
> > To Mike, and everyone selling or renting Tesla coils, parts or services:
> >
> > As a retired and inactive attorney I cannot give legal advice ;-)
But...
> I
> > can tell you that I am concerned for those of you who fit this category.
> > Mike, I haven't seen the waiver you intend to present to the buyer of
your
> > beautiful twin coil -- but have you thought about the fact that you
could
> be
> > exposed to liability if someone Other Than the buyer is injured by this
> coil,
> > regardless of what the buyer signs?  This is only one of many issues
that
> > needs to be covered in a waiver/sales agreement that would protect you
in
> the
> > event something, sometime, goes tragically wrong.  Product liability
laws
> are
> > extremely broad and it would be nearly impossible to write a waiver that
> > protected the purveyor of HV components or services without a large
amount
> of
> > legal research -- or existing expertise in this field of law.  (I have
no
> > expertise at all in this area and am not offering my services.)
> >
> > I am definitely not trying to be a wet blanket here, but I have grown
fond
> of
> > this List and its contributors and I would hate to see someone's life
> screwed
> > up by a lawsuit that your homeowner's/renter's insurance Will Not Cover.
> I
> > hope everyone in the category of purveyors will get good legal advice
> before
> > wandering into the talons of a personal injury attorney.  The (very few)
> > professional coilers on this list know what I am talking about and do
not
> > need my advice.  But I am concerned about the rest of you...
> >
> > Though I doubt any of you few professionals will respond, it would be a
> real
> > service to members of this list if you have any helpful comments to
offer
> on
> > this subject.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Michael Tandy
> >
> >
> > > Hello All,
> > >  I FINALLY got my Twin coil system up on ebay...
> > >  http://cgi.ebay-dot-com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1617224991
> > >  Check it out
> > >
> > >  -Mike Novak
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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