Original poster: "John Tomacic by way of Terry Fritz <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <tesla_ownz_u-at-hotmail-dot-com> Even if your initial assumptions were correct, your math does not support what you are saying... 2/4pi is not equal to 1/8pi. It is equal to 1/2pi 100/4pi is not equal to 1/400pi. It is equal to 25/pi John