RE: Longitudinal Waves

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Original poster: "Steve Greenfield by way of Terry Fritz <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <alienrelics-at-yahoo-dot-com>

Did you squirt that hot glue out of the gun, or melt
it all and pour it? Does it have bubbles in it? How
did you determine that it will withstand a half
million volts?

Why do you keep saying "electrostatic" when by
definition (I thought) it means static charge? Why do
you refer to the electrode of an AC resonant device as
"positively charged"?

What makes you think that the three windings are
somehow magically manifesting 3 different phases when
the primary is putting the same single phase on all of
them? Why would connecting the ground sides of each
wire 1/3 of a turn, only a few percent of the total
turns, magically change the current/voltage on each
winding into 3 phase, when both ends of each winding
are connected to the same points, and within the same
exciting field?

You never did offer proof that a supernova's physical
structure has anything to do with the circular
propogation of the "perfect" radiation. Saying "Nasa
says so" isn't proof.

Steve Greenfield

--- Tesla list <tesla-at-pupman-dot-com> wrote:
> Original poster: "David Thomson by way of Terry
> Fritz <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <dave-at-volantis-dot-org>
> 
> Hi Malcolm,
> 
> >Maybe we are not talking about the same thing. I
> can induce ringing in a
> typical TC resonator and watch it ring down. I can
> vary ringdown times from
> >10mS if the Q of the circuit is high enough to as
> short as I want by
> increasing its resistive losses. I don't need
> longitudinal waves to explain
> that result do I?
> 
> The ring down envelope has nothing to do with the
> longitudinal wave.  It is
> still a part of the voltage.  The longitudinal wave
> is not electromotive
> force.  In fact, I keep coming down to the idea that
> longitudinal waves are
> electrostatic force.
> 
> It seems to me that the very first moment of the
> pulse is electrostatic,
> then there is the damped wave that is electromotive,
> and then the wave
> returns to electrostatic after the electromotive
> force has damped out.
> Perhaps the electrostatic nature of the wave is
> always there, but the
> electromotive force overwhelms the electrostatic
> during its short life span?
> 
> Tonight I hooked up my wye coil.  It's three
> parallel wires wound in a flat
> spiral secondary and all three leads are joined at
> the terminal.  I decided
> to operate the coil with no secondary ground and
> with the terminal connected
> to an electrostatically sealed 30" diameter flat
> aluminum disk.  I have a
> 1/4" layer of Plexiglas plus 1/4" of hot glue
> separating the primary and
> secondary, and even with this nearly 500,000 volts
> of dielectric, I was
> still getting an arc between primary and secondary. 
> This, and no sparks at
> the terminal.  My thought is that I have succeeded
> in generating an
> electrostatic (longitudinal) wave of high pressure.
> 
> Indeed, the plasma globe shows concentric spheres of
> light as though
> spherical standing waves separated the layers.  The
> color was an eerie
> green.
> 
> The way standard solenoid coils are wound and
> configured, the object is to
> increase the resonant rise of the voltage.  This is
> what causes the long
> sparks.  Voltage tends to be near the terminal and
> current tends to be near
> the ground wire.
> 
> Flat spiral coils do not break out sparks easily
> unless an object is brought
> near the terminal, such as the outer lead or a hand
> held fluorescent tube.
> This is probably due to voltage being mostly between
> the outer windings,
> which is near where the ground wire would normally
> be.  The terminal is
> highly positively charged.  But this is where the
> research needs to be done.
> It is tempting to call the strong electrostatic
> charge a high voltage, but
> it doesn't behave like a solenoid voltage peak.  It
> behaves like a
> longitudinal wave.
> 
> If I remove my 30" electrostatically sealed disk
> from the terminal and
> connect a standard copper ball, the charge of the
> ball is leaked into the
> air and there is no arcing between the primary and
> secondary.  If the high
> pressure being exerted against the terminal were
> voltage oscillations, there
> would be long streamers breaking out.  But there are
> none.  If the high
> pressure were longitudinal waves, then the charge
> would be overstuffed into
> the flat disk causing a pressure in the disk with
> back pressure on the
> terminal and thus higher pressures within the
> secondary.  And this is what
> appears to be evident due to arcing through 500,000
> volts of dielectric.
> 
> It's getting late.  I'll give this some more thought
> and measurement
> tomorrow.
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
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