Original poster: "Basura, Brian by way of Terry Fritz <twftesla-at-qwest-dot-net>" <brian.basura-at-unistudios-dot-com> Did anyone see Real TV last night? They opened the show with Bill Wysock's 13M http://www.ttr-dot-com/ throwing huge arcs and closed the segment with Bill doing the "Lightning from the Fingertips" gag. Regards, Brian B.