Re: Noob question

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Original poster: Mddeming@xxxxxxx 

Hi Jim,

    Before you decide to invest/dedicate a significant amount of 
your time and money in this project, consider the following:

1) No one had ever been able to duplicate Tesla's claimed results in 
a controlled experiment.

2) There is no physical evidence that Tesla ever achieved the results 
he claimed.

3) Many of these claims are violations of physical laws known to hold 
in this universe.

4) The Michaelson-Morley experiment and Einstein's relativity theory 
convinced almost all physicists about a hundred years ago that the 
whole concept of Aether was unnecessary baggage, and produced 
predictions inconsistent with observation. Some engineers, including 
Tesla, were more reluctant give up the Renaissance-era concepts. Even 
today, many with mediocre grasps of the theoretical, fringe 
explorers, New Agers, and science wannabes still try to prove that 
all modern physics is misguided and try to resurrect these ideas.

5) There are days worth of explanations, discourse, and flames in the 
list archives on these topics.


You might want to check some of the following:

Aanseng, N. "Science Versus Pseudoscience" 1994
Friedlander, M.W. "At the Fringes of Science" 1995
Park, R.I. "Voodoo Science - The Road from Foolishness to Fraud" 2000
Stein, G. "Encyclopedia of Hoaxes" 1993
White, M. "Weird Science" 1999
Dawkins, R. "Unweaving the Rainbow:-Science, Delusion, and the 
Appetite for Wonder" 1998
Williams, W.F. "Encyclopedia of Pseudoscience" 1999

If you decide to go this route, remember, no experiment is ever a 
failure. It may give results that fail to support a particular 
hypothesis, but this is only a failure of the expectations of the observer.

Matt D.

In a message dated 9/25/05 7:08:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
tesla@xxxxxxxxxx writes:
Original poster: Jim Fraley <trib35man@xxxxxxxxx>


> Original poster: Terry Fritz
<vardin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> At 11:25 AM 9/25/2005, you wrote:
>
>> Hi group.
>>     I am quite new here. just been soaking it up
for a
>> few days. I do
>> have a question about general coil construction. I
am
>> wanting to build a
>> "small" Tesla Coil according to the patents.
>
>
> Cool!!  But which patents?  All of Tesla'a patents
were for fairly
> large machines and are sort of out of date by 100
years ;-)  But there
> are plenty of ways of making coils today....

Hmm.. I guess I'm talking about 593,138, but with the
addition of the
spark gap or tube switch driven by solid state
electronics.

>
>> I am
>> shooting for 20kHz as
>> my resonant freq. (for a specific application which
>> many of you can
>> probably guess).
>
>
> That is a very low frequency in general but probably
possible.  "I"
> can't guess what it is for?
>
Dr. Tesla said that 20kHz was an upper end of
operation, that higher
frequencies might be practicable.  Today we see coils
at much higher
frequencies. But his invention brought radiant energy
(aetheric) into
3-d space. This is what I am after. I don't believe
the coils built for
light shows today conform to Dr. Tesla's specification
(which he
stressed must be followed) and so are useful only for
lightning shows. I
want to tap the Radiant energy in the Natural medium.

I chose the frequency of 20 kHz as a starting point
because that's near
the frequency Stanley Meyer was working at. Can you
guess now what i'm
after? ;-)

Dr Peter Lindemann's book, "Free energy secrets of
Cold Electricity"
draws close parallels between the thestatika machine,
the EV Gray motor,
and Tesla's coils. Since it's probably easier to wind
a coil than to
build a van degraaf generator and leyden jars and all
the kit, or to
copy Edwin Gray's converter tube, I am exploring this
route to tap the
aether. Ideally my coil will sit in the corner of a
room, completely
quietly filling its collector plate with a positive
electrical charge
and providing at least some electricity for my home.
It is in a sense
the antithesis of most coils built by people on this
list. If anyone has
tried this already, I would love to hear from him and
learn from his
experience.


I hope no one is offended by my definition of Tesla
coil, but it doesn't
include anything not built to his spec, as closely as
is practicable.
His machines were pure non-oscillating DC impulse
driven. He spoke of
"tens of thousands of horsepower" and of a return of
1000 times the
input energy.

>
I seek to build a coil that will not even emit a
spark, which Tesla said
was wasted power.

>> rather a
>> proof-of-concept WRT radiant energy.
>
>
> :o)
>
Ahh, you understand.

>> Are there
>> references available that
>> would assist a person with "modest" mathematical
>> ability in constructing
>> a suitable coil?
>
>
> If you want to radiate power, a Tesla coil is
probably a poor choice.
> There is a discussion going on about "Tesla Coil RF
Transmitter"...
>
Radiant power in the aetheric sense. A true Tesla coil
(according to
Tesla's patent cited above) does not emit Hertzian
radio waves, but
something of a different nature entirely. Radiant
energy which can be
picked up by copper plates and used to drive a load
and then the other
wire goes to ground. Brilliant, actually, and probably
more related to
Nathan Stubblefield's work than Marconi's.

> In short, conventional Tesla coils "contain" their
fields very well
> and really don't allow the power "out" very far.
Tesla's great world
> power system is "usually" believed to not be
workable and has serious
> flaws.
>

"If I can't put a meter on it, There's no way I am
backing it", Mr.
Westinghouse said.

> There are programs and as much math as you want for
designing Tesla
> coils, it is pretty easy for the most part.
>

wow, great. where do i find the proggies?

>> I want to follow Tesla's patent as
>> much as possible
>> (conical secondary and all). How do I figure the
>> capacitance i need for
>> the beastie?
>
>
> The primary capacitance is mostly determined by how you are powering
> the coil.  The primary coil can easily be adjusted as needed.  It
> would help if we knew exactly which patent you are following?
>593,138
I'll be powering it with wall current, run up to about
4kv and through a bridge rectifier. Then I am considering using either a
vacuum triode (if i can find one that will switch fast enough) or a 
counter-rotating spark
gap for the disruptor. the capacitor and disruptor are
described in the patent text but the illustration doesn't show it.
Lindemann's book includes it. (figure 21 in chapter 3)

> Cheers,
>
>         Terry
>

thanks for your quick and thoughtful response!

Sincerely,

Jim