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Re: 1256D Paralleling Choke



Original poster: BunnyKiller <bunnikillr@xxxxxxx>

hmmmm doesnt look good and besides I must have been thinking in a wrong direction anyway if Cameron is using the variacs with 240VAC he should attach each hot leg to each variac respectively... one leg per variac no parralelling needed.... but if he is trying to parallel the 2 variacs for 120VAC at 50amps then the choke is needed.... and a rather healthy sized one at that a 15 Amp variac core should fill the bill.... shouldnt saturate even at 60 Amps...



Scot D



Tesla list wrote:

Original poster: "Gerry  Reynolds" <gerryreynolds@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Hi Scot and Cameron,

I ran the toroid dimensions thru my toroid ballast design program assuming 5Vrms difference between variacs, 16 turns on the toroid, and a permeability of 20000 and then 10000, and I think that core will saturate badly. Following are the computed results:

permeability = 20000:

******************** BALLAST DATA ********************

Ballast Voltage         =    5 Volts rms
Ballast Current         =  1.6 Amps  rms
Line Frequency          =   60 Hz
Outside Toroid Diameter =  2.3 inches
Inside  Toroid Diameter =  1.5 inches
Toroid Core Area        =  0.3 square inches
Relative Permeability   = 20000

GAP Size                = 0.00 inches

********************** RESULTS **********************

Required Inductance      =   8.3 mh
Required Number of Turns =    16
Volts per Turn           =   0.3 volts
Peak Flux Density        = 62700 gauss


permeability = 10000:

******************** BALLAST DATA ********************

Ballast Voltage         =    5 Volts rms
Ballast Current         =  3.2 Amps  rms
Line Frequency          =   60 Hz
Outside Toroid Diameter =  2.3 inches
Inside  Toroid Diameter =  1.5 inches
Toroid Core Area        =  0.3 square inches
Relative Permeability   = 10000

GAP Size                = 0.00 inches

********************** RESULTS **********************

Required Inductance      =   4.1 mh
Required Number of Turns =    16
Volts per Turn           =   0.3 volts
Peak Flux Density        = 62700 gauss

The conditions for the computations are no load on the toroid center tap so the current is what passes thru the choke from one variac to the other. Didn't know what the permeability is but it doesnt seem to affect the flux density (and it shouldn't since the volts per turn and cross sectional area remain the same).

Gerry R.




Original poster: BunnyKiller <bunnikillr@xxxxxxx>

Hey Cameron...

I would go ahead and use both stacked together to make it " 2.5 X ??thick" and carefully watch the voltage differences between each output.... if there is much more than 5 volts between each leg you will need to go to a larger core ( a small variac core minus its original wire)

to test voltage between legs, VOM the neutral and one leg ( approx 120 - 140 V depending on how you have the varaic set up) and repeat for the other leg. If voltage difference is same/equal or less than 5 V difference, then you are ok if not, start looking for a 7.5 amp variac on Ebay ;)

next step is to load the variacs with something that can pull a decient amount of power ( approx 20A) and retest the voltage differences between legs...

I am assuming that you are running 240VAC opposed phase ( single phase in more common terms)....


Scot D




Tesla list wrote:

Original poster: "Cameron B. Prince" <cplists@xxxxxxxxxx>

Hey guys,

I've got 2 1256's I've mechanically ganged together. I now need to build a
paralleling choke for them. I've read some posts and websites on how this is
done, but they talk about using an old variac as the core. I have a ferrite
torroid that measures 2.25 inches O.D. 1.50 inches I.D. and is .75 inches
wide. I believe the core is physically large enough to get 16 turns of 8AWG
around it, but I'm concerned if the core is magnetically large enough or
not. Any thoughts about this would be appreciated. I do have two of these
cores, so I could stack them and wind through both at once if need be.

Thanks,
Cameron