Re: [TCML] comment about new coilers

[bartb <bartb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Miles,

Teaching is certainly about having someone do it themselves and learn 
from the experience with the guide of the teacher. But, this isn't what 
all coilers are looking for. Some are here just to get their coil up and 
running. We are sort of a Tech Support group by nature and with that 
comes basic evaluation and possible cause.

The coiler has the option to take that information and run with it or 
find out for themselves if it's correct with their own evaluation. Those 
that really want to know will seek out further information and measure 
for their own understanding. Others will opt out. That has always been 
true and will never change (internet or not, TCML or not). Those that 
really want to understand "why" will find out for themselves. Nothing 
you or I say will ever change that.

Take care,
Bart


Miles Waldron wrote:
> Gary,
>
> Bart makes the point exactly; this is all backwards, and I find new
> coilers often times don't even listen to the answers they get. We should
> not be spoon feeding these guys. Teaching science is about safety, and
> teaching people how to teach them selves. Did Scott actually learn
> anything? Or did someone just tell him what to do. Sorry if I am
> splitting at hairs, but a good solid period of confusion, followed by a
> minor explosion of some sort, has taught me more about tesla coils than
> anything else. The experimental method, for example.
>
> Miles
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tesla-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tesla-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of bartb
> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 5:25 PM
> To: Tesla Coil Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [TCML] comment about new coilers
>
> Listen guys, if a coiler has an issue it will usually unfold "after" the
>
> purchase when the coil isn't working. We will all attempt to derive the 
> reason. I personally don't want new coilers to purchase junk TC items 
> (ever). I would rather they ask before they buy, but this is a step 
> completely in the hands of the coiler. As soon as they ask, they will 
> get the info needed.
>
> I personally have not made purchase mistakes in my coiling and the 
> reason why is because I consulted the TCML first. I've been coiling for 
> a while now, but I still am green on many things. Should I purchase 
> something (even after several years of coiling) which I feel I don't 
> have a good handle on, I will consult the TCML first. Experience or time
>
> with coiling is certainly valuable, but none of us knows everything. 
> This is just one major reason why the TCML is so valuable.
>
> Take care,
> Bart
>
> Lau, Gary wrote:
>   
> > Hi Miles,
> >
> > I don't get your point.  I don't think there's a one among us, myself
> >     
> included, who early in our coiling experience, hasn't spent money on
> something that ultimately proved to be useless for coiling.  How is it
> we're making it too easy?  There's no doubt that Scott has learned about
> what kind of NST to use.  I believe that the replies to his post have
> included scientific explanations as to why the current NST is
> unsuitable.  Teaching science is what this list is all about!
>   
> > Regards, Gary Lau
> > MA, USA
> >
> >   
> >     
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: tesla-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tesla-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx] On
> > > Behalf Of Miles Waldron
> > > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 1:41 PM
> > > To: 'Tesla Coil Mailing List'
> > > Subject: [TCML] comment about new coilers
> > >
> > > I had this kind of problem a lot with new coilers on e-bay. They
> > >       
> thought
>   
> > > they were so smart to buy solid state neon sign drivers instead of
> > > usable non GFI NSTs. Somehow, as a community, we are making this too
> > > easy. New coilers especially those who do not listen, will make
> > >       
> mistakes
>   
> > > just like everyone else. Let them mess things up for awhile, and
> > > *learn*, just like the rest of us do. Isn't teaching science
> > >       
> important
>   
> > > anymore?
> > >
> > > Miles
> > >     
> > >       
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