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I agree that eliminating the strike rail would likely help. I don't use them. Also the upper toroid can probably be raised even higher above the lower toroid. I'm assuming you have about 1" between the two toroids. You could raise the upper toroid and have maybe 2 or 3" between the toroids and see how that behaves. And yes a larger diameter toroid will tend to push the sparks out somewhat farther. You'd have to retune of course. Also there's a limit to how large the toroid can be and still get good looking spark action using a given input power. It's usually good when the max. spark length is about 3 or 4 times the toroid diameter, at least from a spark appearance point of view. John -----Original Message----- From: Jon Danniken <danniken@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: Tesla Coil Mailing List <tesla@xxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tue, Dec 23, 2014 3:52 pm Subject: Re: [TCML] New nst/primary strikes On 12/22/2014 08:50 PM, John Cooper wrote: > Have two nst's for12kv 60ma total now. Longer streamers now. Too > long sometimes they blow by the strike rail to the primary. Its 21" > from bottom of topload to primary copper tubing. The strike rail sits > 3.5" above primary. I tried putting my smaller 3"x15" toroid under > the 4"x17" to raise but still hitting primary. A breakout rod point > up helps a lot but every now and then it hits bottom. I'm > considering doing the 6" secondary which would add another 15" in > height above primary but until then Is there anything other than > breakout points that would help. Would changing the diameters of the > toroid help? Ie using different size pie pans with dryer duct. My > thinking is if it was wider then the primary coil would not be right > under. > > > My secondary windings start flush with the primary, if I raise it the > coupling will become weaker meaning shorter streamers? > > > I've seen some coils on youtube and the streamers go down but outside > the primary, wondering if my strike rail was removed would that stop > it from attracting it to the primary? Yes, I believe it was Terry Fritz who modelled the strike rail, and found that it was an attractor for streamers. I ditched mine and found that it drastically reduced primary strikes. If you are already getting primary strikes, it won't hurt to experiment by removing the strike rail. Jon _______________________________________________ Tesla mailing list Tesla@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.pupman.com/mailman/listinfo/tesla